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June 2, 2008

Imagine

Filed under: Misc — mlah @ 11:05 am

john lennon was a communist

Imagine there’s no Heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one

these are the lyrics to his biggest hit ‘imagine’. it is a simple repitition of the communist ideals that he was propogating to the world’s young. do you believe them?

first stanza, essentially it means that religion is false. communism is Godless. and don’t limit yourself to the current fad in the us of going beyond mere separation of religion and state, but to elimination of religion from the public. communism actually persecutes those who believe in God. the russians used to send believers to the gulag. not much different than feeding the christians to lions. imagine no heaven. imagine no hell. i’ll get back to this in a second. but remember that he wants to live for today

second stanza, no countries. this is a fundamental concept to the radical systems of belief. the ‘state’ does not exist. the state is a creation of man’s mind. it exists only in stories that men tell. and that if all men stop perpetuating stories about the state, the myth of what we call the state would simply fade away. heh. what does the state do for us? provides utilities, builds roads. next time you drive to the store, or flip on a light, IMAGINE what it would be like if the state was not there to do these things. lennon sees the ‘country’ as something that people live or die for. and that’s it. he wants to abolish them all. communism simple and straight forward.

i’ll do the chorus last

third stanza, no possessions. all you girls with an heirloom piece of jewelry, just set it down on a park bench and walk away. no more possessions. lenin tried to institute no possessions and no money soon after taking power in the new soviet union around 1920. chaos ensued. he had to find a way to justify his continued ‘FAITH’ in communism and explained it away as an inability in the peasantry to accept communism. he reinstated ration cards, which were soon just called rubles by the peasnatry. possessions. this is a fundamental flaw in the radical communist belief. without possessions, there is no goal, no impetus for people to strive towards. a communist will tell you the the impetus is the good of the people. but we all see how that worked out for them.

communism relies on cooperation. it believes that the communist workforce can outproduce a democratic free market economy because people are working together, not against each other. it’s flaw is that it has to enforce conformity. if someone does not want to do for the collective, but for himself, he destroys the ability of the collective to produce efficiently.

commonly, those who pursue ends for the self are shipped off to a concentration camp and murdered. concentration camps are hallmarks of communist / socialist societies. i may explore that in a later post.

the last stanza. i don’t say he’s a dreamer. he’s merely romanticizing his notions for the listener. he’s a communist. replace dreamer for communist everywhere and the song is more accurate. any philosophy that has to dress itself in other terms and not represent itself for itself has serious issues. the third line in the chorus is crucial. “i hope someday you’ll join us.” the “you’ll” is the most critical word. is it you will? or more of you ALL will join us? you see, difference of opinions and beliefs is what kills communism. difference of opinion has and will destroy all communist attempts.

and don’t believe me? DIFFERENCE of opinion. it’s called diversity. love it. no diversty is to deny life. plain and simple.

communism is conformity. and it will always fail because of that.

now i said to wait for no heaven and no hell.  communists dismiss religion as a mere attempt to control the masses.  they never stop to ponder that there MAY actually be a God.  they simply assume that because some people in the past have used religion to further their own personal goals, religion must be false. the possibility of God existing never occurs to them.

10 Comments »

  1. nicely done!

    Comment by Da Goddess — June 3, 2008 @ 2:17 am

  2. “he wants to abolish them all [countries]. communism simple and straight forward.”
    No, I believe he was looking more to the concept of One World Gov’t, which was first proposed by Brit Cecil Rhodes, and further developed by Woodrow Wilson’s adviser Edward M. House and sci-fi writer H.G. Wells (none of whom were commies).

    “concentration camps are hallmarks of communist / socialist societies.”
    That’s not quite true, either. They are hallmarks of totalitarian societies. You don’t have them in present-day Vietnam or friggin’ Sweden. And you *did* have them in Nazi Germany, which itself was fighting against communism.

    “they never stop to ponder that there MAY actually be a God.”
    No, they’re correct about there being no God. It’s all in your mind. The proof of which is that no one has the exact same conception of God.

    Who the fuck cares about communism nowadays? Your analysis is about 30 years too late for anyone to give a shit. Please join the modern world, already in progress.

    Comment by Gus — June 4, 2008 @ 8:11 pm

  3. 1. how do you know he was looking to one world govt? no, he was looking to abolish them. communist dogma.
    2. present day vietnam and sweden are communist? they have govt’s ergo, they are not communist but socialist. just like nazi germany and the soviet union, precursors to communism.
    3. your disbelief is not conclusive proof. nobody has the exact same concept of god? and? nobody has the exact same concept of the constitution, yet it exists.
    4. the notion that communist disappeared 30 years ago, or that they no longer present a threat to free democratic societies is juvenile. i expect better from the flaming left than to pretend it doesn’t exist or matter.

    Comment by mlah — June 4, 2008 @ 9:39 pm

  4. His is an emotional appeal, not a political program. He was a poet, an artist.

    1) “how do you know he was looking to one world govt?”
    Maybe because he says “And the world will live as one”? Duh. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter whether he was looking more towards a UN-styled utopia or a totally decentralized utopia– the point was the utopia. He was complaining about nationalistic war-mongering, East and West and all points between.

    2a) “present day vietnam and sweden are communist? they have govt’s ergo, they are not communist but socialist.”
    You included “socialist” in your rant, so I included socialist countries. I don’t even give a crap about the distinction you make between socialistic and communistic. No one does.

    2b) “just like nazi germany and the soviet union, precursors to communism.”
    Oh, fuck off already about Nazi Germany being socialist! You’ve never had anything to say about their economic policies. Whatever those policies were, they certainly weren’t what made them an evil regime.

    3) “nobody has the exact same concept of the constitution, yet it exists.”
    We certainly can agree on what constitutes (heh) the Constitution. It is finite and material. We can’t do that with “God”.

    4) “the notion that communist disappeared 30 years ago, or that they no longer present a threat to free democratic societies is juvenile.”
    Where is the threat from it today coming from? What is the extent of this supposed threat? I wouldn’t lie to you, buddy: no one gives a shit!

    Comment by Gus — June 5, 2008 @ 9:21 pm

  5. 1. you’ve conceded my point. but utopia is a pipe dream my friend. not attainable by men.

    2a. sweden has no murderous camps, though malmo may be deserving of one.

    2b. i have said much about the nazi economic policies, you just refuse to acknowledge them. they were socialist. but like you said, their economic policies were not made them evil. it is their faith in socialist based racism that did that.

    3. everyone can agree the constitution is a piece of paper. but nobody agrees what the constitution means. but we all agree it exists.

    4. the present day threat from radicalism, specificallyt communism is that its proponents continue to work to push free people from free democratic societies to slavish socialist societies and the dictatorship of the proletariot. creeping socialism is the same as creeping islam. a bane to freedom and humanity.

    Comment by mlah — June 6, 2008 @ 12:30 am

  6. Gus, for someone who professes to be well-read, you display a distinct lack of information on which you base your conclusions. Go learn some more about socialism and its role in the communist belief. Go learn some more on the history of socialists in Germany (and especially the foundations of national socialism). Do some reading on the radical socialist movements in current global politics, from the anti-globalization nutjobs who riot in the streets whenever the G8/WTO/etc leadership meets, to the ruling parties in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, and so on. Your uninformed comments here detract from any arguments you are trying to make, nearly as much as when you resort to profanity and vulgarity to disparage an idea you don ‘t like. I expect better from you.

    Just because you don’t give a crap about the differences between socialist and communist, and choose to ignore political radicalism in the world, doesn’t mean that “no one” cares. There are serious people who actually have to craft national policy in the face of such considerations. Stop being so egocentric and consider something beyond yourself and your limited circle of friends when it comes to political issues and the arguments Mlah might make.

    If serious policy makers in the U.S., including major political figures and senior judges (perhaps I repeat myself), can refer to the Constitution as a “living document” which meaning is mutable over time, along with the changing social conditions of the country, then I have to agree with Mlah that we cannot agree on the exact meaning of the Constitution. For that matter, we can say the same about democracy and democratic rule in our country….

    John Lennon was into some pretty outlandish things, especially as he began to experiment with drugs and belief systems as he gained wealth and fame. Sure, his later music can be pretty far-out, man. Certainly the sentiments of Imagine are utopian and unlikely in the extreme. But just as certainly, Mlah can make the case that such ideas are in concert with ultimate Communist goals. Nonetheless, the music is still fun to listen to.

    Comment by yup — June 6, 2008 @ 9:05 am

  7. mlah: “1. you’ve conceded my point. but utopia is a pipe dream my friend. not attainable by men.”
    I’ve conceded nothing. Do you even know what the word “concede” means?
    Why are you giving us a definition of “utopia”? We already know what it means.

    “though malmo may be deserving of one.”
    I don’t know what that implies. Care to explain?

    “i have said much about the nazi economic policies, you just refuse to acknowledge them.”
    You haven’t said shit about them. You only say they had them, but never specify what they were.

    “but like you said, their economic policies were not made them evil. it is their faith in socialist based racism that did that.”
    WTF is “socialist based racism”? You do know that a lot of Jews were, and are, socialists, right? Show me where, in the socialism handbook, it advocates racist policies.

    “3. everyone can agree the constitution is a piece of paper. but nobody agrees what the constitution means. but we all agree it exists.”
    My point stands. We can’t even agree that God exists. Yes, we can all have different ideas *about* both God and the Constitution, but the only one we can agree on as to its most basic terms or existence is the Constitution. “God” as a word/concept is vague to the point of uselessness. Nobody agrees on *anything* about “God”. If someone insists that God exists, they can’t prove it anyone else. It’s a mere idea in their heads, unlike the Constitution, which exists *both* as a physical item and as ideas in people’s heads.

    “4. the present day threat from radicalism, specificallyt communism is that its proponents continue to work to push free people from free democratic societies to slavish socialist societies and the dictatorship of the proletariot.”
    I asked you where, and I also asked you the extent. You failed on both counts. Who are these people being pushed, and who’s doing the pushing? What effect does this pushing have? I can’t believe you actually used the word “proletariat” (though I can believe that you spelled it wrong)– who the hell uses that term anymore? Your Joe McCarthy act is totally irrelevant to today’s political scene. I imagine you picked this stuff up from your dad?

    Yup: “Go learn some more about socialism and its role in the communist belief.”
    Why bother? Ancient history.

    “Go learn some more on the history of socialists in Germany (and especially the foundations of national socialism).”
    Why bother? The only reason anyone talks about Nazi Germany is because they killed so many people, which had nothing to do with their econ policies. Socialism does not necessarily entail mass murder, period.

    “anti-globalization nutjobs”
    They’re only a threat to a few plate-glass windows.

    “the ruling parties in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, and so on”
    Ooh, scary! I agree that Cuba needs greater freedom. I don’t agree that Cuba threatens anyone beyond Cubans, and they’ve been opening up a little more each day lately under Raul. Hugo and Evo’s nationalization of companies hasn’t, to my knowledge, been a problem for the cititzens of their countries or region. If you want to go into that further, we can.

    “I expect better from you.”
    I don’t know why you say that. I haven’t changed, dear Yup.

    “Just because you don’t give a crap about the differences between socialist and communist, and choose to ignore political radicalism in the world, doesn’t mean that “no one” cares. There are serious people who actually have to craft national policy in the face of such considerations.”
    Maybe 5 wonks in a basement State Dept office. It’s damn chivalrous of you to stick up for them! Do you think they’re analyzing the entire oeuvre of the The Beatles, or just John’s solo albums? I don’t ignore political radicalism– I encourage it!

    “Stop being so egocentric and consider something beyond yourself and your limited circle of friends when it comes to political issues and the arguments Mlah might make.”
    Get off your high horse. I was giving mlah some free advice on presenting a better, more relevant blog. I want to get the poor boy laid.

    Comment by Gus — June 6, 2008 @ 8:54 pm

  8. no thanks gus, i’m not into men.

    Comment by mlah — June 7, 2008 @ 4:03 am

  9. Isn’t this a lot of energy to expend over a pop song? And what’s wrong with dreaming of utopia?

    Comment by Mark — June 7, 2008 @ 9:22 pm

  10. mlah: “no thanks gus, i’m not into men.”
    Too bad, cuz women aren’t into you.

    Comment by Gus — June 9, 2008 @ 11:57 pm

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