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Is this some anemic way of equating your fear of the govt kicking down your door if you talk on the phone with terrorists, or chat online with terrorists, or post your pro-terror plans on a terrorist website? But I thought you were really upset about the govt surveilling you if you were engaged in one of these things.

If the govt has gathered enough information due to that surveillance to convince them that you are, by your words and expressed opinions, a terrorists engaged in financing, planning, or carrying out terrorist operations, why would you not expect them to come knocking at your door?

So your problem is really with the govt actually coming to stop you from carrying out your terrorist plans (kicking in your door, as you put it)? Is that what you’re saying?

I would have a bigger problem with the gun registry if it allowed them to kick your door down and look through your house just because you know someone that has guns.

A couple of them (such as Reid and Padilla) could be considered “US persons” who were swept up in the process of planning or committing their acts of terror either in or en route to the US, and were imprisoned with the foreign gang. But the courts have already ruled that those caught in the US, or who are US citizens, cannot be held in the quasi-foreign camps like Gitmo. But seriously, people like Reid applying to be CEO of AT&T? Sure, I really worry about his job prospects for future should he beat the rap against him.

Oh yeah, we’ve released people because they were so low on the terror totem that they were considered no longer dangerous, or there was so much political pressure to release them that they they were not vetted properly, or they were wily enough to not have specific proof against them. None of them have ever gone on to commit acts of terror after their release, now, have they? (You ever hear of Abdullah Mehsud?)

Why do EFF and ACLU cry foul so loudly? Well, there’s money to be made in standing up to “Big Brother” for one thing. There’s BDS for another. Folks like EFF see any act by the government as harmful to their self interests, period. Only private citizen hackers like themselves (and of course the ubiquitous Madison Avenue cabals) should be able to surreptitiously obtain private information about other people.

So the Parliament decided all of a sudden to create a whole new category of felon, made up of formerly law abiding citizens, overturning centuries of tradition in the name of social engineering, and you shrug it off by saying that at least the government gave its people the choice of submitting to new regulation of formerly free activity or face consequences. You do recall that the first thing Gorby did when he sent troops into Estonia et al was shut down/lock up the gun clubs? You know, the only places citizens were allowed by the government to have access to firearms? Gee, and you probably wonder why the heck those US Founders enshrined the citizens’ right to keep firearms.

Funny, you didn’t initially strike me as a person who believes that the citizenry should be beholden to the government and not the other way around.

The majority of people targetted by these actions will be of middle eastern descent. Sure their whole families don’t get throw in to camps but where do they end up?
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Can you tell me that these people (who cares about the guilty ones) don’t lose everything by being locke up for 2, 3 or even 4 years without charges being laid? The fact that
some were released without charge shows at least in some small way that errors were made. So, what have you been up to these last 3 years?… Oh… You were being held as a terrorist suspect. Yeah, here’s a job! Even if cleared and released there is still a stigma that will haunt them in life. Not to mention the personal trauma.

The problem Canadians had witht he gathering and use of the information in the LLFF was that they didn’t ask us. I can agree that we more or less asked for it indirectly with our demands for social programs. We railed against it for the same reason that any rails against something that is done without permission.

The gun registry was a ridiculous waste of money… but as a note they were given a chance to register their firearms. In fact they still can register their firearms and not face charges. Don’t get me wrong. I think the gun registry was stupid, however it was still done and people were
given the time to make their ownership legitimatein the eyes of our stupid new law.