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November 21, 2005

Role Playing

Filed under: Politics — mlah @ 11:35 pm

Muslim Chicks

this post should be included in politics and religion, but i chose to place it in politics only, because that is apparently where the 9th circuit court has placed islam.

apparently they don’t think it counts as a religion.

so what does separation of church and state mean to you?

to me it is pretty simple. it means that our government cannot be a theocratic despotism. although some of you liberals tend to think that’s what the right is. absolutely ruled by religious nuts.

take into consideration the fact that the right is armed to the teeth. i saw a statistic somewhere that there are over 100 million firearms at large in the u.s.. that’s a butt ton. how many of those are owned by people who fall in the left part of the political spectrum. surely there are some, but i don’t know any of them.

i’m not saying how many firearms are in the mlah household at the moment, but it is larger than 1.

so, if we have all of these firearms, and are nuts, how come you liberals exist? wouldn’t it be very easy to start liquidating lefties? i know y’all think that’s our master plan, but it’s not. peace reigns another day in our country because no matter what you ‘feel’, tolerance rules the minds of the right.

but this post isn’t about guns. i just wanted to make the point that we are more tolerant than y’all normally concede.

back to my original question (stay on target gus, we can discuss the weapons thing later)

since the constitution says separation of ‘church’ and state, is it plausable, or legal for there to be a jewish theocratic govt in this country? it’s not church!

but more importantly, is it ok for islam to not just impose sharia law, but to dictate the entire political process?

i’d like to make a case later for christianity being the official religion of the u.s., but again, that’s another post, another day.

if you answered no to a judaic, or a muslim theocracy, i dare say you have the same interpretation of the constitution in regards to this phrase that i do. or at least, it’s pretty close.

now the reason i have tried to herd y’all into this admission.

if you believe there cannot be a theocracy run by judaism, islam, budhism…… pick your religion, is it safe to say that you are classifying that religion as a religion? stupid question?

could wicca set up and run the country? i personally do not consider wicca to be a religion. just some feminists pissed off at a patriarchal society.

now for the kicker.

Hurt ME!

if i was a teacher and wanted to run a role playing scenario in high school. say, i cast students as the pope, the byzantine emperor, cardinals, peter the hermit, and various other nobles of the the 1097 timeframe, and had them play the roles and act out various meetings leading to the crusades. INCLUDING prayers and other religious rights, all in an effort to help students understand not just christianity, but the culture of the day. would you agree? would it be ok to not just present this in public, state funded school, but to pay me to develop present it?

would you say, ‘hey, sounds good mlah, get started!’

not only has a teacher in california done this very thing, but the 9th circuit court of appeals has held it up in court!

oh, but it wasn’t christianity. the teacher had the students be muslim for 2 WEEKS. he included prayers, fasting, and women walking three paces behind their men. he required students to be able to recite muslim prayers on demand, and to be able to explain their meaning.

i’m so pissed.

you cancel christmas break, and teach students the tenents of islam?

the 9th apparently cited previous rulings that said it was ok for students to be required to act out withcraft scenarios. including spells (bubble bubble toil and trouble, watch the cauldron go!) because it’s not really a religion.

is islam a religion or not?

i pinged michelle malkin for this post as i read about it on her blog first.

she also refers to the politically incorrect guide to islam (and the crusades). read it, loved it.

remember when i said we were tolerant? i think there is a limit.


  1. Well, you just bared your ignorant, savage pro-Christian bias for the world to read, Mlah. How dare you? Only Christianity is to blame for the world’s evils, evils visited by the white Europeans upon the poor efenseless followers of these other credoes. Only Christianity is to be destroyed for the evil that it is. (oh, and the Jews, too, because they are just as evil, being so darn mean to the poor defenseless Palestinians and their Levantine neighbors.) Everything else is good, because the Christians persecuted the followers of those tenets for the past 1300 years! Where were you when they taught this in your political indoctrination classes at college? Too busy partying with your contemptible wealth-grubbing-beneficiaries-of-capitlist-exploitation fraternity brothers to pay attention to the commissar’s lectures? You’re just sore because you — a white man who espouses Christian beliefs and dares to be politically reactionary (ie, conservative) — are finally getting some of what your ilk have been dishing out lo these many years past. Now you know what the rest of the world has been through with your fascist jackboot heel on its neck!

    Comment by yup — November 22, 2005 @ 7:00 am

  2. k i’m not gonna even bother commenting on this story… i just want to make a comment in regards to your idea that wicca is not a religion.

    i believe it is a religion because i believe that anything can be considered a religion. anyone can start a religion. anyone can classify something as sacred and build a group of people around it. a cult can be a religion just as much as a religion can be a cult. this is my point of view on it anyway.

    also: wicca is horrible when it comes to PR. this is thanks to its decentralization, not to its general beliefs. there’s no governing body that speaks eloquently and sanely about what wicca is or isn’t. frequently you’ll get flaky idiots talking about the religion and then people think that sums up what the religion is to the rest of the wiccans in the world. as a wiccan you make many individual decisions on what you believe and don’t.

    Comment by kiddo — November 22, 2005 @ 10:55 am

  3. Wicca is a throwback to the polytheism of central Europe ca. 1000 B.C., but as primitive as it is, it is still a religion (of sorts, albeit without any sort of cohesive theology).

    Comment by Citizen Grim — November 23, 2005 @ 2:07 pm

  4. which is my reason for saying it’s not really a religion. real religions are inspired by God, or at least someone thinks it is inspired by God.

    1) wicca is an attempt at reviving a lost religion. they’re guessing at the old druidic ways, because they have no real idea.

    2) they didn’t have any inspiration for their new found faith, they just made it up. did mother nature pop out and inspire some witch?

    i really beleive wicca is just a lashing out by feminists against a patriarchal society.

    yeah, it’s entirely a .. my dick is bigger than yours…. thing.

    Comment by mlah — November 23, 2005 @ 2:58 pm

  5. STOP THE PRESSES! Gussy-boi has just made claim to having had at least TWO girlfriends! Of course, he could just be viewing his latest boi-friends in the effeminate mien?

    I see that Gus proudly admits he is full of prejudice and hate, and a practitioner of stereotypistry.

    So, based on Gus’ argument, were he suddenly transported into the body of a 15 year old high school student, and were he in a cultural ethics (back in the day they called it history or social studies) class, and were he assigned the task for two weeks of living as a monotheistic devotee (read: early Christian) living in 3rd century Rome, with the informal [and illegal] “church” gatherings in homes of fellow devotees, and being forced to study the teachings of his assigned faith, and perhaps engaging in a public debate (con position, of course) on the policies dictating public worship at the altar of the current emperor-cum-diety; of course, other students would play the poly-theistic “pagan” Romans, just to be fair; would Gus still feel the same way were he forced to “be” a Christian? Oh, but don’t actually pray or anything, that’s just simulated to get the feel of when they felt such things were appropriate and why they did it. Just be a good student, read your bible (since no other doctrinal texts are available to us for this exercise), and prepare for the examination. You must stay in character for the duration; you’ll be free to express your personal views after the exercise is completed in two weeks. Once the exercise is over, we can study Constantine and his embrace of Christianity and its effects on the Roman empire, and then do a follow-on “life situation” study…..

    Dude, it’s all Wicca, and like, so cool and all. That First thing. Do no harm or something. Dude, just like a doctor! (Never mind that the tenets of wicca as generally accepted were laid down only a century or so ago by some Victorian MALE.) Gus, your specious claim that the herbalists of yore were all wicca-type witches is beyond merit. Just because many of them were declared “witches” by people lashing out — in the greatest of bully traditions — against those who couldn’t fight back! (You ever hear of the peasantry accusing the local nobility of witchcraft?) Entre scenario: Man, life sucks, there’s nothing to do except till the damn fields. What am I gonna do tonight? Hey, how about that freekin’ chick that wouldn’t have sex with me last week. I bet she’s a witch! Let’s go burn her — that’ll teach her to pull a knife on me when I’m trying to have my way with her! I’ll just tell everyone she turned me into a newt! They’ll believe it since she brews tea from stupid willow bark and it makes people feel better. Man, I gotta get down to the pub and start bad-mouthing her, get those flames whipped up…..

    Too many words here for ya, Gus, I doubt you’ll be able to get through it. Go back to your mental haze.

    Comment by yup — November 24, 2005 @ 10:42 pm

  6. Dear Blockhead,
    You know that game “Telephone” where kids whisper something to each other and the original meaning gets royally distorted? That’s what your take on Malkin’s piece reminds me of. Let me try to clear up your misperceptions.

    1) “the 9th apparently cited previous rulings that said it was ok for students to be required to act out withcraft scenarios. including spells (bubble bubble toil and trouble, watch the cauldron go!) because it’s not really a religion.”
    The decision made in the case was whether the ‘witchcraft scenarios’ were being taught as religion per se by the school (the State), which would be against the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. You seem to suggest that the only reason they decided this way was because they didn’t consider witchcraft a religion. But I don’t think the legitimacy of Wicca had anything to do with the case, only whether the material was being taught for religious aims or not. They ruled it was not being taught as religion. I imagine it was more like a story-book situation (i.e. fictional ideas that came out of the teacher’s or a writer’s stereotyped version of Halloween-y ‘witches’, as opposed to any tenets held by any real Wiccans) that the Evangelical parents were freaked out by.
    I make this thin-but-important distinction because of all the “What’s a real religion?” nonsense you harp on was based on this faulty interpretation of yours.

    2) In the parallel case over Islam, the question was also whether it was being taught as religion per se. The course materials Malkin displays on her own page include this sentence which I find very revealing of the teacher’s intent: “Owing to the sensitive nature of imitating another’s form of prayer, your group will not be asked to directly simulate this activity.” In other words, it’s explicitly not for real (keywords=”imitate”, “simulate”).
    Also, the final exam included a “critique” of what they’ve learned about Islam– hardly what young Catholics, for instance, do for their Confirmations! (I can hear it now: “I still don’t quite buy that ‘virgin birth’ thing, Father Tim. And keep your hands to yourself, dude!”)

    BTW, I’m perfectly aware that not all Conservatives/Repuglicans are Kooky Khristians. Y’all run the gamut from gun nuts to the greedy rich, abortion doctor-killers to Neo-Cons myth-makers, cross-burners to military-industrial-corporate complex parasites.

    My last 2 girlfriends considered themselves witches, but only one had anything to do with Wicca. They’re not synonymous, in other words. They did hold in common the idea of the divinity of Nature, and also the phrase “First, harm none” as tenets. These ideas can stand comfortably next to the Christian ones of the immanence of God in the physical world and the Golden Rule, respectively. And spells are functionally little different than prayers as mental/physical rituals where one tries to manifest one’s will in the world. Duh. Witchery preceded and was actively suppressed by, you must admit, male-dominated Church hierarchies. And heck, most of it was just about medicinal herbs, which drug companies are still scouring the Amazon to learn more about, bitch.

    Comment by f-in_cheney — November 25, 2005 @ 6:21 am

  7. Wicca is most certainly a religion. mlah says “All religions believe in god.” What an inane comment. Religion is a belief system set with rules and codes. Nowhere is there a requirement for a god to be praised. Think of how many religions out there believe in a “higher power” not precisely a god though.

    As for the debate about Wicca and where it stands with Witches, here is a simple comparison:

    Paganism (Witchcraft)>Wicca

    get it now?

    Comment by Witchcraft — February 28, 2007 @ 4:13 pm

  8. I just thought it notewothy to point out that the Constitution actually does NOT say the phrase “separation of church and state”, or anything like it for that matter, nor does any other of our federal documents. That phrase came from a letter by Thomas Jefferson to friends in stating his own personal opinion and has been widely misquoted over the last 50 year. As a matter of fact our federal documents are full of reference to God and the Christian religion. Don’t believe me? You only need to read them for yourself. Thought you might like to know this….

    Comment by Jeff Lundholm — February 18, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

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