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April 24, 2005

Taqqiya

Filed under: Religion — mlah @ 11:29 am

Scimitar and a Djinn

it’s an arabic word.

taqqiya is the concept of doublespeak. kind of like a double entendre. but with taqqiya, it is specifically the skill of double speaking to infidels to deceive them. to get them to drop their guard. to bring about the circumstances allowing you to take advantage of them.

want some examples?

CAIR, the council for american islamic rights does it all the time. we can’t profile arabs, because it’s racist.

i have news for you. there aren’t many little old blue haired ladies hijacking planes. in fact, who besides middle easterners have hijacked a plane in the last 10 years? not any that i can remember.

but this isn’t about racial profiling, it’s about taqqiya.

jihad is only defensive. heard that on the news lately? it’s taqqiya. jihad is not defensive. tell it to the armenians. tell it to the zoroastrians. tell it to the georgians. tell it to the byzantines. tell it to the berbers. tell it to the spanish. tell it to the indians.

all aggressive wars on the part of islam.

more taqqiya?

laugh when they tell you islam is a religion of peace. the word ‘islam’ itself is taqqiya. islam means submission. and they’ll tell you it is the muslim submitting to allah, but that is not true.

it’s you my friends, who must submit.

18 Comments »

  1. I always thought it was submitting sexually…I knew I was wrong.

    Comment by Steve Adams — April 25, 2005 @ 12:27 pm

  2. sand monkeys.

    Comment by medium john — April 25, 2005 @ 10:18 pm

  3. You sound like paranoid Arabs talking about Jews. Beware, the Bogeyman’s gonna getcha!

    Comment by f-in_cheney — April 26, 2005 @ 12:26 am

  4. Sorry, I should have taken a much wider focus in my last comment.
    You want “aggressive wars”? How about Iraq? How many Muslims lived under colonial rule in the last couple centuries?
    In fact, you sound like any racist (especially you, Medium John, you irresponsible tard), take your pick: Nazis with Jews, US Whites with Blacks, US Black Muslims with “blue-eyed devils”, Catholics vs. Protestants, religionists vs. secularists, and on and on. You’re at least part Irish, Mlah? The Irish were the scum of the earth earlier last century on the East Coast, looked down on even by the lowly Polish and Italians.
    Where the hell does it all end?
    It is generally accepted that quarantining Japanese-Americans during WWII was a dumb-ass idea. We can still be safe without racial profiling. It wouldn’t catch the (White, Christian, veteran)Timothy McVeigh’s anyhow.

    Comment by f-in_cheney — April 26, 2005 @ 12:58 am

  5. So Gus, you completely discount the connection with McVeigh?

    Mlah is not advocating rounding up all Muslims entering our airports and sending them off to concentration camps (ala the Japanese Internment camps), nor is he advocating full body cavity searches for every one of them. He is saying that this foolishness of having a GS-3 TSA agent running his hands all over your wife’s boobs, or in your case Gus, your boyfiend’s balls, or my daughter’s diaper, is not going to catch one terrorist. Singling out that 84-year old white guy because he’s carrying something that may be dangerous (said elderly gent being a retired 4-star Marine general and said dangerous item being his Congressional Medal of Honor) is plain foolishness.

    And CAIR, the ACLU and every other group or individual who starts whining about perceived wrongs against some small constituency — and a government that cringes every time this is done — will lead us all into danger.

    When WW-I started, German immigrants were actually beaten in the streets on occasion. Suspicion followed everyone who spoke like ziss. The Japanese immigrants were rounded up in WW-II (but only on the Left Coast) because everyone was afraid of sleeper agents. Many of those young men subsequently went to work for Uncle Sam to spy on the Empire. Despite having been locked up for being of Japanese ancestry.

    But today, when the Islamofascists we are fighting are predominently Arabic from the Middle East or South Asia, we cannot pay more attention to them for fear of offending someone. You raise the spectre of McVeigh, but also rail against the measures being taken to stop such people (you whine, for instance, about the Patriot Act) — without even bothering to know what exactly those measures entail.

    ‘Oh dear, my privacy is being invaded, stop the evil government!’ Gus snivels. “How so?” I ask. ‘Well, it’s obvious to anyone smart like me, even though I have no proof. You must prove they are not invading my privacy, Yup, with citations from my favorite journalists and professors, before I will even think about believing you,’ Gus replies.

    For example, the ACLU rails against the PA’s provision for FBI looking up the library books you check out. Yet, according to the testimony presented for continuing the PA’s provisions, this has NEVER BEEN DONE. It’s simply a tool to be used if ever it’s needed.

    Yes, so we are now saying that the invasion of Iraq was an “aggressive war” perpetrated by W and Company. Never mind the millions of Iraqis who can now say what they want without fear of Saddam coming to snuff out their families in the night. Never mind the men who no longer have to fear Qusay killing them off so he can rape their wives. Never mind that we were still in a technical state of war with Iraq under provisions of the cease-fire agreement of 1991 (which was UN-approved). Never mind that Saddam’s regime was gassing thousands, disappearing whole villages of troublesome wretches, withholding food and medicines from the masses so that the money could instead be spent on lavish palaces. Never mind all that, our decision to be rid of him and his threat once and for all was “aggression” on our part.

    You Phule, Gus!

    Comment by yup — April 26, 2005 @ 8:39 am

  6. they’re still sand monkeys.

    Comment by medium john — April 26, 2005 @ 2:51 pm

  7. Hey, Medium John, I hope you get beheaded.

    Oh, did Iraq attack us and I completely missed it? It sure as hell ain’t a defensive war. Get off it, Yup. As if you give a damn what the UN says…

    “[Mlah] is saying that this foolishness of having a GS-3 TSA…”
    Actually, what he said was “this isn’t about racial profiling, it’s about taqqiya”.
    Anyhow, I think we all like airport security as it is now practiced. If your grandma is inconvenienced, tough tittie (no pun intended). There was a big city police chief, I think, who tried to bring a gun onboard. Oops! You say it’s not gonna catch any terrorists, well what HAS caught terrorists in this country since 9-11? As far as convictions go, NOTHING. They haven’t used the library part of the Patriot Act? That’s the best reason I’ve heard so far to excise it, then!
    Tell me this, Yup, how many innocent people’s lives are allowed to be turned upside down– JUST IN CASE– before you say there’s a problem? If only 5%, that’s okay. 15%, getting warm! 30 percent, hmm, lemme think about it. 60% , it’s for the Homeland! 90%, I’m not an A-rab, what do I care? I’m just talking hypothetically. Care to read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution again: “Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    So, I “whine”, “snivel” and “rail against” the PA, do I? Oh, can you quote me? I fear you are painting with a mighty broad brush here, dude. Back in reality, I don’t pay it much mind. I largely trust the gov’t to do their job with some degree of care, believe it or not. Yet I also know that abuses can happen (what, cops aren’t perfect?!), and also that a gigantic bill passed in haste during a time of nat’l emergency (nobody fucking read the thing!!), might have some bits that go too far. Don’t complain. In a free society, it’s a good thing that there are people looking out for gov’t overstepping their bounds, just like NRA does.

    Comment by f-in_cheney — April 27, 2005 @ 3:08 am

  8. I am in shock. Squishy-headed liberal weenie Gus just defended the National Rifle Association….

    Inconvenience is not the same thing as depriving a person, citizen or not, of their rights. You only like to think so, Gus. And the TSA’s measures at the airport are laughable at best. Oy, don’t carry a lighter in your pocket or else you’ll be arrested (but you can carry up to two packages of matches). Those lighters are dangerous! Hey, is that a nail clipper in your purse? (How long until they say the same thing about cameras or phones, which can easily be fitted with enough, erm, “wedding cake” to drop your flying cattle car out of the sky? Or how about granny’s nitro pills — who cares if she has a heart attack in midair, at least we’ll all be safe!)

    You still haven’t gone out to get and read George Friedman’s tome on the Iraqi invasion (“America’s Secret War”) for an analysis that does tie the action directly into the War on Terror. And here you crowed so loudly about how well-read you are. Che Guevara’s memoirs, and the biography of Fidel Castro do not make you well-read, just stupid.

    Comment by yup — April 27, 2005 @ 8:29 pm

  9. Yup has a problem with the TSA! Somebody call Homeland Security on him, the anti-American bastard!

    Oh, I’m not well-read (I’m stupid in fact!) because I haven’t read one particular book from Yup’s Reading List? Yuh, right! Kiss my ass, loser. Anyway, here are 4 customer reviews for this book from Amazon. None seem to mention any direct Iraq-terrorism connections. BTW is this the same genius George Friedman who wrote that scarily prophetic book “Coming War with Japan” in 1991?

    “He, correctly, writes that the WMD issue was sugar coating to sell what had already been decided…”

    “He sees the Iraq war as a strategic flanking move aimed at influencing Saudi Arabia. Deep strategic thinking underlies the U.S. strategy there, but of course it’s too complex and ruthless to explain or sell to the American people, so we got WMD.”

    “The treatment of Iraq is weaker though and misses several key points while presenting our larger strategy of putting pressure on Saudi Arabia.”

    ” The second interesting thing that Friedman proposes is the reasons for the war in Iraq. Friedman writes that after the war in Afghanistan and after forcing Pakistan to confront al Qaeda as much as we could, the U.S. realized that there was much more to do. Significant funding and other support for al Qaeda comes from Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis were reluctant to crack down on al Qaeda within their country because of eternal problems. Friedman proposes within the book that the reasons for the war in Iraq were two fold: one, to force the Saudis to confront al Qaeda by placing 130,000-150,000 troops on their border and shocking them in our actions, and two, on the one hand, to show the rest of the regimes in the region that we are serious in this war against al Qaeda, that we will win, and that, basically, Osama bin Laden’s premise that we are weak is a barell of BS, and on the other hand to establish a base of operations in the “pivot” of the middle east, on the border of such important players as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan and Syria, all to coerce them to either offer no support to al Qaeda or to offer the U.S. support. “

    Comment by f-in_cheney — April 28, 2005 @ 2:01 am

  10. I support my right arm to bears, at any rate. Hi, Yogi!
    No, seriously, folks, I think any and every US citizen should be able to arm themselves fully- with those weapon technologies available in 1776: flintlocks, etc.
    Ha, that’s just a joke, kinda, but it’s a good one, eh?
    In all seriousness, nobody needs AK-47’s and .50 caliber humdingers with armor-piercing bullets. You gotta have limits of some kind, right? I mean, we’re not allowed to own RPG’s and Howitzers, right? The regular stuff is fine, but a line must be drawn somewhere. I know that law-abiding gun owners are not the ones poppin’ caps in cops. The Ruby Ridge and Waco types really are nuts, though, and do go a ways toward bringing their own destruction upon themselves with their paranoia.

    Comment by f-in_cheney — April 28, 2005 @ 7:00 am

  11. I linked to your article in planck’s Constant. There is an amusing video of taqiyya.

    Comment by bernie — May 8, 2006 @ 10:57 pm

  12. Great Discussion,

    f-in_cheney Says:
    April 27th, 2005 at 3:08 am

    >”Oh, did Iraq attack us and I completely missed it? It sure as hell ain’t a >defensive war. Get off it, Yup. As if you give a damn what the UN says…”

    Hey All,

    F-in cheney,
    I guess you missed the whole Kuwait invasion, the firing of missiles at Israel and the whole gassing of Kurds thing! Nothing too offensive about any of that was there, I seem to recall Israelies holding out in the basements praying the skud missiles didn’t have gas or biological warheads, Oh but then Iraq didn’t have any weapons of mass destruction,
    despite Saddam’s continual threats to use them. Well I guess they must have used all their chemical biological weapons gassing the kurds, or maybe the fact that everytime the UN inspectors tried to access a location, the Iraqis made them wait (hours, day and months) until all evidence was removed before they allowed them to inspect, and then we let them truck it all out to Syria, and surprise suprise, we didn’t find any later, of course the biological weapons scientists who risked their lives to get the information on locations out to the UN, aren’t reliable sources. And how come everything the UN says means nothing when it supports the war, but means everything when it’s in favour of the other argument?

    I think the fact that America is prepared to send it’s men and women into danger to defend communities in danger, even when the community is in danger from it’s own government or people, proves the American ideal of upholding human rights, freedom of speech, democracy and the right to live in safety. To those who believe war and violence is never necessary to procure that freedom, clearly they are not strong students of history. If we accept that the western worlds democratic policies, human rights breakthroughs, and gender, religious and ethnic rights advances are worth protecting and although far from perfect are enormously better than a fascist, extremist dictatorship, as in North Korea for example, then it’s vital we understand the truth of how our countries came to be in those positions. As an Australian, I am forever grateful, that Americans deemed my future safety important enough to come to my defence. Without that defence Australia would now be the largest Island in Japan. Considering the hideous atrocities the Japanese inflicted on their captives, the possible horrors of their occupation of Australia is almost too horrible to imagine. Almost. because the true value of fighting for what is right is the only thing that prevented it then, and will prevent it now.

    >”Tell me this, Yup, how many innocent people’s lives are allowed to be >turned upside down– JUST IN CASE– ”

    I think there’d be about 3000 people + families and friends who would have been only too happy to have been inconvenienced, if it had prevented 9:11. How many times do you think these inconvenient measures might have saved that many and more since. Might be hard to put a value on effective prevention, if it does it’s job and their are no death figures to measure. So should you consider the lack of deaths through terrorism in America since then a huge success? I think maybe you do.

    >before you say there’s a problem? >If only 5%, that’s okay. 15%, >getting warm! 30 percent, hmm, lemme >think about it. 60% , it’s for the >Homeland! 90%, I’m not an A-rab, what >do I care? I’m just talking >hypothetically. Care to read the 14th >Amendment to the Constitution >again: “Section 1. (“”All persons born or >naturalized in the United >States, and subject to the jurisdiction >thereof,””” “”are citizens of the >United States and of the state wherein >they reside. No state shall make >or enforce any law which shall abridge >the privileges or immunities of >citizens of the United States; nor shall any >state deprive any person of >life, liberty, or property, without due process >of law;( “”””nor deny to >any person within its jurisdiction the equal >protection of the laws.””””)

    Your point here is excellent, All American citizens who are subject to it’s jurisdiction, of course Islamic fundamentalists proclaim that they are only required to remain under the juridiction of Islam and Shariah law, whether they are citizens or not. So how do you deal with people, who use America’s rights, laws and priveleges to protect themselves on the one hand, but feel justifed to break those laws, lie (taqqiya) and plan the implementation of Islamic states by education, coercion or threat of death,
    and who believe they are divinely justified to attack and kill anyone who insults their prophet, eg: the furor over the cartoons of Mohammed in Denmark. So tell me how do you equally apply the law to protect American citizens when this is the current reality in which the citizens live, they afford their own attackers maximum human rights, while bearing the burden of their violent, ideological opposition, which is designed to destroy and replace the very rights and society that Americans have fought and died to put into place. When does America get the credit for it’s extreme tolerance, enormous patience and sacrifice to try and give others in the
    world the same precious gifts of freedom. Oh and don’t try and fly that oil argument, because just a tiny amount of research will show, that the bulk of the oil reserves in Iraq are already the property of France and Russia.

    Oh and on the point of Japanese internment in the second world war, how can anyone deny the fact that Japan did have sleeper cell agents in America, when they have since admitted it. So how stupid was it really to put those related to the enemy in protective custody. It protected the Japanese from Americans as much as Americans from the Interned Japanese. Seriously how successful do you thinka country could be if you let the possible enemy wander around freely while trying to fight them, as was the case with the Japanese &Germans in England and Australia, it doesn’t make any logical sense, to just cross your fingers and hope that all those in your country with ties to the enemy, will just sit on their hands, and not pick up the phone to let their family and friends back home know if they were going to be attacked, it’s human nature. And that ‘s just the regular citizen, not even the real spies among them.

    Actually what happens is you have to put everyone in the country under tighter security, and try and be all politically correct about not singling out the most likely suspects. You know it used to be common sense that people who declared they were going to take over your country and destroy your political system, through violence, were considered bad, and called treasonous. Now they are just expressing their freedom of speech and religion… When is enough enough?

    Comment by CMHOzStyle — January 28, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

  13. I’ve read all these comments, but one fact remains. It is imperative that we continue to kill muslims. As many as we can. There are approx. 1.2 billion of the slimy, quran reading, Jew and Christian hating (any religion other than islam), murderers out there just waiting for their chance at the 72 virgins and their choice of pre-pubescent boys to rape in paradise.

    These idiots have been brainwashed from birth to believe the garbage in that most evil of documents – the unholy quran. Thinking we can discuss the situation with them and come to a resolution suitable to both sides is plain silly. Islam is another name for sociopath.

    I don’t give two hoots in hell about how they treat their women. Their women are just as brainwashed from birth as the men so there is no hope for them either. And muslim children only differ in that they can’t carry as much explosive when they blow themselves up to kill non muslims.

    We should deport all muslims from these United States yesterday. Islam can never be reformed because nearly every page of the unholy quran is replete with direct orders to kill non muslims.

    As a Christian I have watched as my country – declared a Christian nation by the 1898 Supreme court – has taken away my right to place the 10 commandments for public viewing. At the same time the ACLU sicko’s fight to force me to listen to the call to “sniff butt” 5 times a day.

    Enough is enough. Muslims – of any origin – don’t belong here.

    Comment by Richard — June 14, 2007 @ 12:33 am

  14. At long last, Richard wins the prize for getting to the bottom line first. Islam is inimical with democratic ideals, the US Constitution, and the fundamental values and core (Judeo – Christian) principles that have gotten us where we are. He is also correct, however sadly, that the ACLU, with the support of the blind and the malicious, are taking us somewhere we should never go. Unfortunately those zealots are so blinded by their hatred of the standards they assail that they cannot recognize that ultimately their defense of Islam is self defeating. Can you imagine a lawyer for the ACLU in Mecca opposing Mohammed on the grounds of religious liberty against his destruction of the idols there; or his slaughter of the Jews in Medina? Either would have been a short cut to death.
    Richard is also correct with respect to women. Where do the Islamofascists come from? They are raised by islam’s greatest resource, the imprisoned women who produce the raw materials – the youth – which are fashioned into hate machines by the fanatical curriculum of the madrassahs. There is only one way out, and that is to consign islam to the same museum of failed, murderous ideology as nazism, imperialism, communism, fascism, etc, etc. They demand our ‘respect’ for a religion which has declared war on us, produces nothing, enslaves 50% of its population, legitimizes and sanctions murder, plunder, rape, duplicity (taqqiya) and mass oppression.

    Comment by Abu Prideaux — June 30, 2007 @ 1:26 pm

  15. I need to have Quranic and Hadithic proof before I’ll believe Muslims can lie to save themselves from infidels. IF there ARE certain scriptures for this to come about, it makes one wonder about the promice of virgins their supposed to get IF killed by infidels in Jihad.

    Comment by Bruce Ramsey — August 5, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

  16. Bruce Ramsey : « I need to have Quranic and Hadithic proof before..[…]..

    Et bien, Bruce, qu’est-ce que vous attendez pour vous sortir les doigts du cul et les chercher vous-męme, ces preuves ?

    Comment by Naibed — August 7, 2007 @ 2:56 pm

  17. I need to have Quranic and Hadithic proof before I’ll believe Muslims can lie to save themselves from infidels.

    Comment by yundao — November 1, 2011 @ 9:22 am

  18. Then check this link

    http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

    It lists specific passages in the qoran that deal with lying to infidels to advance islam.

    Comment by mlah — November 3, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

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